From Jayme Evans @ world of wits/ Canada Free Press:
Finally, I object to the televised, verbal crucifixion of Lt. Col. Lakin by you and Megyn Kelly
. This man is a decorated soldier who is putting his career and his future in peril by standing up for something he believes in and the best the two of you can do is to ridicule him, calling him a “true believer”, or implying that he wants to get thrown out of the military. The two of you carried on about the military having no place for those who question orders, but displayed a stunning level of ideological cowardice in the process. When gay service members flaunt the rules, I’ve never heard either of you ridicule them in such a manner. Your claims to fairness and objectivity, like your claims of single-handedly solving the riddle of the missing birth certificate, are empty.
Who are you to stand in judgment over a career soldier, having never put on a military uniform yourself? You mistakenly think that Lakin was simply trying to make a political statement, but I wouldn’t expect you to grasp the concept that he was actually jumping on the figurative grenade.
You blew this one, O’Reilly. You owe Lt. Col. Lakin an apology and you owe your audience far more than the sophomoric analysis you’ve given them on this issue thus far, Pinhead. I don’t care how many of those stupid tote bags you’ve sold or how many books you’ve written, but if it’s any comfort, I do partially agree with the teacher who coined the title of your memoir. You’re definitely a piece of something, alright, but whatever it is, it’s not bold, it’s not fresh and it definitely doesn’t smell like anything even remotely resembling humanity.
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April 21, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Interested Bystander
Hey All,
I asked about this the day after O’Reilly said that the way they verified Obama was born in Hawaii was by the announcements in the TWO papers, and that the FAMILY would have had to notify BOTH papers (I guess that because the family would have to notify BOTH papers, that it would have been impossible to do) for them to print the birth announcement.
But HD (or maybe it was Smrstrauss, I’m not sure, it may have been someone else) had informed us long ago that the newspapers got their information from Hawaii Health Services (I believe that whoever explained this to us commented that the birth ceritifcates were “posted” and HHS came by once a week to pick them up, which is why they were 10 days late getting in the paper), so O’Reilly’s belief is based upon a LIE, and he needs to rethink his position on the verification.
Here’s what we DO know:
IF Obama was NOT born in a hospital in Hawaii, ANYONE could have sent the birth form to HHS so long as there was a WITNESS who signed the document also. The law did NOT specify WHO could send in the form, or who could be the witness.
There is NO PROOF Obama was born in a hospital, other than some letter that suddenly disappeared from the hospital’s web site. The verbal verification of ANYWHERE that Obama or Maya or anyone else claims that he was born in a hospital, is simply hearsay. The COLB simply states that he was born in Hawaii, which is the ONLY “genuine” evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii (and now HD will comment that this is ALL that Obama needs to prove that he was born in Hawaii).
Obama was enrolled in an Indonesian school under the name of Barry Soetoro, and on that same form was said to have been an Indonesian citizen. Obama is also on the Soetoro divorce papers, which a reasonable person could conclude is TWO pieces of evidence that Obama was adopted by Lolo.
Obama will not release his entrance papers from Occidental, Columbia or Harvard, so that people can see how he was registered at those schools.
Obama traveled to Pakistan with a Pakistani, AFTER visiting his mother for a month in Indonesia. Obama will not release his passport information, and as far as I know, the ONLY time he even spoke of this trip was during the campaign in California, and the media will NOT ask him ANY questions about the trip. NONE. I would assume that the visit to Pakistan is OFF the table, and that it is well known in media “circles” that if you want to ask about the trip, you will NOT be allowed an interview. A spokesperson volunteered the information about his companion, not Obama.
There are so many unanswered questions about this self professed “transparent” President, that anyone with a reasonable brain, has to believe that there is some damning evidence in these documents.
Not only that, but with the signature on his very first Executive Order, Obama has kept these documents SEALED.
And then there is the issue that Zach Jones brought up in his piece on the other thread, and that is that to be a “natural born citizen” you MUST be born in the Country, and BOTH parents MUST be citizens of this Country. THIS in itself, it seems to me, should be reason enough for the Courts to want to hear the case.
It doesn’t matter what ANYONE comments, this is the evidence that keeps these questions in the fold. IF Obama seriously wanted to stop the questions, he would release the documents, but he won’t, he is fighting in the Courts, with every trick in the book, to the tune of almost 2 million dollars now.
It’s sad that these questions remain, and it’s more sad that NO ONE in the media will ask him about these issues.
Just release the documents Mr President, it is the MORAL thing to do.
April 22, 2010 at 10:04 am
HistorianDude
Ignoring that this is entirely theoretical since Obama was born in a hospital, this is also true today, and it is true in every single State of the Union. In case you have not noticed, babies are born all the time without hospitals or doctors even being present… and they still get birth certificates.
And those birth certificate, once issued by the State, are just as legitimate as the certificates of people born in hospitals. They are still absolute legal proof of the birthplace and citizenship of the child.
As usual, IB uses words he does not understand; in this case “hearsay.” According to the Federal Rules of Evidence (a source I have futilely recommended to IB countless times) the verbal verification by Obama and Maya is not hearsay at all. Under Rule 803 (19) they are officially exceptions to the hearsay rule, and fully admissible as evidence in a court of law.
But of course, that is neither here nor there since there is no Constitutional requirement for presidents to have been born in hospitals. Jimmy Carter was, in fact, the first American president to have been hospital born. He was followed by Ronald Reagan, who was not.
IB did get one thing right, though. The COLB is all that Obama needs to prove that he was born in Hawaii.
Again… neither is evidence of any adoption. Step-children often use the surnames of step-parents, and Obama is only the third American President to have done so without adoption. And while Obama is obliquely referred to in the Soetoro divorce papers, it is only because the papers were a boilerplate blank form. There is no hint of an adoption anywhere within them.
Additionally, under Indonesian law at the time, Obama was both 1) too old to have received Indonesian citizenship by adoption, and 2) ineligible for Indonesian citizenship at all. Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship, and would not allow a person to naturalize unless they had renounced their previous allegiance, something a 6 year old child can not do.
Again, we must note that there is no Constitutional requirement for President to even attend college, let alone register for them in any particular way. Harry Truman never went to college at all.
Once again, rather than simply deal with facts, IB instead launches into wildly nutty speculation regarding things he has absolutely no knowledge of… such as what might or might not be “well known in media ‘circles.’” The simple facts remain that:
1. There is no Constitution proscription on somebody who traveled to Pakistan with a Pakistani companion from being elected President.
2. There is no evidence that Obama has ever held anything other than the American Passport first issued to him first at the age of six.
None of which actually matter.
There is not a single Executive Order signed by Obama that seals a single one of the records that Birther’s keep asking for. His “very first Executive Order” absolutely does not do that. Once again, we are shown that IB has no idea what he is talking about, but simply parrots (without any actual personal understanding) the stuff that other people tell him.
That would be enough for the courts were it not for the fact that it simply is not true. For a person to be a natural born citizen, they must be born on American soil to parents who are not foreign diplomats or members of an occupying army. This is established case law, and was reconfirmed just last year in the case Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana.
Ignoring that it is yet just another Birther lie that never dies that Obama has spent “almost 2 million dollars” on this issue, this comment presumes that Obama wants to stop the questions. More than few folks (among them Glenn Beck and Anne Coulter) have speculated that the president loves Birthers because they make conservatives look like “nutburgers.”
IB also demonstrates (by citing the Birther lie concerning money spent) that what actually “keeps these questions in the fold” is Birther dishonesty. All of these questions are founded on falsehood. Every single one.
But ultimately, the demonstrated truth is that Obama could release all these documents and no questions would stop at all. Obama released the absolute legal proof of his citizenship almost two years ago, and it stopped nothing. Unlike Birthers who keep doing the same things over and over again, and failing the same identical way every time, the President and his staff actually learn from their mistakes.
Another word you seem completely ignorant regarding: morality.
April 22, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Interested Bystander
HistorianDude responds:
“Ignoring that this is entirely theoretical since Obama was born in a hospital, this is also true today, and it is true in every single State of the Union.”
You do NOT know that for a FACT that Obama was born in a hospital (and YOU comment about “theory”), and neither does ANYONE else, because anyone who would have direct knowledge of where Obama was born is either dead, or has not come forward (and since they haven’t come forward, one would assume that there is NO ONE who knows that is alive today).
Then HD comments this:
“As usual, IB uses words he does not understand; in this case “hearsay.” According to the Federal Rules of Evidence (a source I have futilely recommended to IB countless times) the verbal verification by Obama and Maya is not hearsay at all. Under Rule 803 (19) they are officially exceptions to the hearsay rule, and fully admissible as evidence in a court of law.”
Futilely for sure, since I AM NOT a lawyer, and could care less what the “Federal Rules of Evidence” says or doesn’t say.
Let me put it this way:
Here’s Maya on the stand in a case involving Obama’s eligibility;
“Maya, where was Obama born?”
“Hawaii”
“Do you know where in Hawaii Obama was born?”
“Kapi’olani”
“How do you know that is where Obama was born?”
“Mom told me.”
Yeah buddy, that sure sounds like definitive proof to me.
The same testimony could be given by Obama, except he has said he has SEEN a LONG FORM birth certificate from 1961 in one of his books, so he has opened that door, and would be grilled even more.
I’m not a lawyer, and I’m not planning on becoming one any time soon, so you can forget about me reading some “book” with a bunch of whereases and heretos and a bunch of other mumble jumble in it. I could care less.
HD goes on with this:
“Again… neither is evidence of any adoption. Step-children often use the surnames of step-parents, and Obama is only the third American President to have done so without adoption.”
Well they are pieces of the puzzle HD, and given all of the HIDING and lying Obama has done about this and other things, it is not a far leap to believe that Obama WAS adopted by Lolo (didn’t Indonesia only allow CITIZENS of Indonesia to attend the school Obama went too? And didn’t the Government do monthly checks to ensure that the kids had proper documentation?).
As far as the “Obama is the third American President to have done so”, how many of those attended school in INDONESIA?
How many was that again? How about OUT OF COUNTRY? Anyone? Was that NONE of them HD?
HD continues his reply about adoption with this:
“Additionally, under Indonesian law at the time, Obama was both 1) too old to have received Indonesian citizenship by adoption, and 2) ineligible for Indonesian citizenship at all. Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship, and would not allow a person to naturalize unless they had renounced their previous allegiance, something a 6 year old child can not do.”
Well then why was Obama ALLOWED to be enrolled in school as an INDONESIAN citizen? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM? Would that be because Obama was said to have renounced his US citizenship? HMMMMMMMMM?
He then “tackles” the college enrollment issue with this:
“Again, we must note that there is no Constitutional requirement for President to even attend college, let alone register for them in any particular way.”
EXCEPT, if Obama DID enroll in college as an “adult”, and put on his entrance documents that he was a foreign student, then that would be ANOTHER piece of the puzzle, now wouldn’t it HD? The FACT is, he DID go to college, I have never commented that he HAD to go to college to be President, but he chose too, and these documents could be another piece of evidence that he was NOT a US citizen, let alone a “natural born citizen”.
Then on Obama’s Pakistan trip, HD comments this:
“1. There is no Constitution proscription on somebody who traveled to Pakistan with a Pakistani companion from being elected President.”
SPINNING again with NOTHING that was EVER commented by me. However, if Obama traveled using an Indonesian passport, “another brick in the wall”.
And then this:
“2. There is no evidence that Obama has ever held anything other than the American Passport first issued to him first at the age of six.”
Again, you have NO idea what passport Obama used to travel TO Indonesia when he was six, or what passport he used to travel back to the United States when he was eight.
Why would that be? Well that would be because Obama will not release his passport file. Imagine that.
On his very first Executive Order HD responds with this:
“There is not a single Executive Order signed by Obama that seals a single one of the records that Birther’s keep asking for. His “very first Executive Order” absolutely does not do that.”
This is a blatant LIE, and HistorianDude KNOWS it.
But instead of arguing about it, I’ll let the folks read it for themselves:
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/e9-1712.pdf
Read it and weep HD, not only does it give the President final authority on documents former Presidents and VPs want kept sealed, it gives him final authority on documents they want realeased also.
YOU KNOW THAT, and wrote that blatant LIE?
But you don’t defend Obama, isn’t that what you commented on an earlier thread?
Then HD comments this on the amount of money Obama has spent to keep his records sealed:
“Ignoring that it is yet just another Birther lie that never dies that Obama has spent “almost 2 million dollars” on this issue, this comment presumes that Obama wants to stop the questions.”
You’re probably right about that HD, it’s NOT Obama’s money, it’s OUR money he is using, I mean seeing as how it’s the GOVERNMENT who is defending him.
And hell no he doesn’t want to stop the questions, he holds the strings, and he’s playing us as puppets. He is much better at PLAYING the Judicial game than we are. He loves sitting up there all arrogant and elitist and thumb his nose at the very people who put him in office (that would be the CITIZENS who voted). And don’t comment he isn’t thumbing his nose at the people who voted for him, because that money he is spending to defend these cases are those people’s money too.
Then HD comments this:
“All of these questions are founded on falsehood. Every single one.”
No they are not. They are based on the pieces of the puzzle outlined above, NONE of which are lies or falsehoods.
HD concludes with this:
“Another word you seem completely ignorant regarding: morality.”
HD, you show what morals you have every time you comment. All you care about is “this isn’t relevent to be President”, or “rules of Evidence” or any other excuse you can give for Obama NOT releasing the documents.
Honestly HD, I could give at rats ass as to what would or wouldn’t be allowed in Court, or what is or isn’t allowed by the Department of State to prove citizenship to get a passport.
I give you ALL of that, it doesn’t matter to those of us who VOTE.
I would suggest to you, that if I stood up, and raised the questions outlined in my original comment that JAMES allowed to be posted, and you stood up, and answered with the answers you have given, the COURT of public opinion would be peaked by the evidence that I have produced, and they’d think that you were a pompus ass for replying to that evidence with what YOU respond with.
You have NO evidence of what hospital Obama was born in,
You have NO evidence that Obama wasn’t adopted by Lolo,
You have NO evidence how Obama was enrolled in college,
And you have NO evidence how Obama traveled when he was six, let alone when he traveled to Pakistan in 1981.
The ONLY thing I have no evidence for is his travel to Pakistan in 1981, EVERYTHING else I have is backed up with EVIDENCE.
Choose to ignore it all you want. Pooh pooh it off as “nothing”.
But it is my belief that IF the public knew this information, the public outcry for answers would be as big as the TEA Party voices, and maybe even bigger than that.
April 22, 2010 at 4:26 pm
HistorianDude
Again, you are being willfully stupid. There is also no one alive today who would have direct knowledge of Washington’s victory at Yorktown, or the Norman Invasion, or the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Are you going to be consistent and argue that none of these are facts? Or that no one can know these for a fact? That is not a rhetorical question. I’d really love your answer because you may very believe that none of these are facts.
We both know “for a fact” that Obama was born at Kapiolani medical Center. He has said so. His sister has said so. The hospital has said so. And there is not a single piece of evidence that contradicts it.
It matters not one whit that you personally refuse to believe the opposite of what all the evidence indicates.
And that explains why you are so often wrong.
And that explains why you stay wrong.
There is no puzzle. There is a fabricated controversy based on a lie. In this case you add other lies to the mix; more demonstrations that you cannot think for yourself but only parrot things that other people tell you.
No… it is not true that “Indonesia only allow(ed) CITIZENS of Indonesia to attend the school Obama went too (sic).” It is also a lie that “the Government (did) monthly checks to ensure that the kids had proper documentation.” Neither of these claims is true, but are instead Birther lies that never die. The actual truth is that Indonesia has never prohibited foreign children from going to school there. Ever.
Huh/ What a weird change of subject. What does using a step parent’s surname have to do with where you attend school? Exactly?
Well, ignoring that the only really appropriate answer to that question is “who cares?” Just off the top of my head I would point out that John Quincy Adams was almost entirely educated in England, the Netherlands, France, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and and Russia.
Obama lived in Indonesia for a mere four years. Adams in contrast was almost constantly overseas from age 11 until 35.
Obama can’t have renounced his citizenship. He was only six. US Law did not allow it.
What puzzle? To have a puzzle you have to actually have puzzle pieces. But you have none. So you have no puzzle at all. You might as well said “EXCEPT, if Obama had one eye he’d be a Cyclops.”
No they could not. It does not matter what the documents say one way or the other. Being a natural born citizen has nothing to do with how you register for college.
If Obama had only one eye, he would be a cyclops. See? we can both play that stupid “if” game.
Yet more willful stupidity. How could Obama have gotten to Indonesia from Hawaii when he was six without a US Passport? A passport which (by the way) he talks about his mother applying for in his autobiography.
Why did I imagine for a second that you would understand what you read? I know, I know, I am too generous. I give you far too much credit.
1. The EO deals with “Presidential Records.” Birth certificates, passport records, college transcripts… none of those are “Presidential Records.” And so none of them are covered by this EO.
2. Here is how the law defines Presidential Records:
“US Code 44, § 2201. (2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
So out of the gate, it is an absolute lie that the EO “seals” anything, let alone Obama’s birth records, or school records, or anything that preceded his taking office in January of 2009.
So back at you, IB. Your claim is a lie. Pure and unleavened. And you didn’t know it because you cannot think for yourself or understand what you read. You are merely a parrot who spouts any lie that Birthers whisper into your ear.
And you think you’re telling anybody something we didn’t already know? We know that you do not care what the law says, or a court says, or the Constitution says. We are all fully aware that you don’t care about what is or is not true.
You care only about how much you hate this president. That’s why we call it “Obama Derangement Syndrome.”
Just like the 64 million people who voted him into office the first time.
April 23, 2010 at 2:18 am
Interested Bystander
You know HistorianDude,
I am sick and tired of “debating” you.
You are nothing more than a disrespectful person with only child rich spoiled brat syndrome, besides the fact that you have NOTHING to back up your claims.
YOU are the one who started the name calling.
I will respond to your comment with this:
When the “evidence” suports your side, you run with it until the cows come home, but when the “evidence” supports the other side, you pooh pooh it off as nothing.
It is simply futile trying to debate someone with such a distorted mind set.
I will from now on simply ignore your comments.
I would again ask JAMES to ban you for being disrespectful and the personal attacks not just on me, but on others who comment on HIS blog.
Do us all a favor and crawl back in to the hole you crawled out of a few months back. Your arrogant, elitist, condescending and disrespectful comments are NOT welcome here, at least by me, and you will from now on not be responded too.
April 21, 2010 at 7:28 pm
gumply
IB, Great job and don’t worry about HD he’ll find some way to spin it.
obo’eilly and me gan are two in the same. She likes to scream over the top of her guests just like the no spin man does. They both think they are the answer to the human race. obo-eilly and me gan are only interested in promoting themselves and their wallets. I don’t watch fox anymore since murdoch sold the saudi royal family a large amount of it.
For two people that think they are the authority on everything; it amazes me how little they know about this country or who is running it.
You know they are about to hold a trial out in front of Columbia University in New York City to prove that obo never went there even though he said he did, and also challenge his eligibility. fox sent out a barage of reporters trying to find one person that could remember him during his so called years at Columbia to no avail. They could’t find one that remembered him including Stephanopoulus who was there at the same time he supposedly was and George does not remember even seeing him. After signing his first directive only minutes after his swearing in he kept everyone from nowing anything about his insidious past, just like you stated in your comment.
Isn’t it strange that now he and his henchmen are admitting that he never actually was at Columbia but attended school in Russia and Pakistan through Columbia. What else has he lied about? EVERYTHING. There are journalists from all over the world coming to the trial that will be held I think the third week of May.
To me the whole thing about him being a usurper is ludricus, what else culd he be. In order to be president of the United States of America which is a Republic you must be a natural born citizen which means that you must be born of two American parents which he is not. So why would nancy piglosi and dick cheney sign off on his eligibility? They signed it because we are not operating as the Republic of the United States of America but as the Corporation of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, therefore as far as the oligarchy is concerned those rules don’t apply anymore. And the American people don’t even know how this country is being operated on. Pathetic but true.
HD has had several days to study up on this truth so he might want to comment on this. The last time this subject came up he was quite unknowledgeable on the subject so he went into his usual antics but I put out a challenge to him so we will see what we shall see on the subject.
April 22, 2010 at 10:15 am
HistorianDude
And then gumply out-IBs IB with Birther lies that never die.
http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct/jan_feb09/alumni_corner
Wrong. Not only does the order seal nothing, his first executive order, entitled “Presidential Records,” revokes Executive Order 13,233, President George W. Bush’s constitutionally lunatic procedure for enabling former Presidents and Vice Presidents to limit public access to their records.
It actually does the opposite of what you claim.
That would be very strange were it actually true. But it’s not. Obama never attended school in either Russia or Pakistan. he attended Columbia in New York City.
And finally… only wacky and paranoid right-wing nut-jobs believe that there is any such thing as “Corporation of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.”
It does not exist.
April 22, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Interested Bystander
gumply,
I hope you don’t mind if I take this for just a moment.
What HD comments is pure BS. It’s plain and simple BS.
I’ve already linked to Obama EO, now I’ll link to Bush’s:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2001/11/eo-pra.html
I am of the opinion that if people read these, they will see a distinct difference.
Bush’s says that if a former President or VP does not want the documents released, and the sitting President believes they should be released, then the sitting President will negotiate with the former President or VP to resolve the problem.
Obama’s EO doesn’t do that, it gives FINAL authority to the sitting President, not only on documents the former President or VP want kept sealed, but those they want released also.
The PERFECT example of this is the CIA memos on enhanced interrogation. Cheney said he wanted ALL of the memos released, and Obama said he would release SOME of the memos, but then changed his mind and didn’t release ANY of the memos. Of course Obama used the “national defense” argument, but Cheney sure didn’t, and HE read the memos BEFORE Obama did.
HD comments this:
“It actually does the opposite of what you claim.”
It does not, and you know it, and your comment is a blatant LIE. If what you comment was true, his documents would be out for the public to see NOW, and low and behold, they are NO WHERE to be found.
And then HD comments this:
“And finally… only wacky and paranoid right-wing nut-jobs believe that there is any such thing as “Corporation of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.”
Please don’t argue that you are THAT ignorant to the FACTS in front of your face.
A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT is what is coming down the pike. Have you ever seen Rollerball? THAT is exactly what is happening. Governments are merely puppets for the Corporations, which is quite evident with the Government printing money it doesn’t have to bail out these Corporations.
Your comment is a joke HD, the sad part is, you actually believe the joke. Take a look around you HD. The evidence is as prominent as the nose on your face.
The last election is a very good example of what I mean. Obama and McCain were basically the same candidate. Both had answers for this and that, which were basically the same. At NO time did either candidate stand up and say “Enough is enough”, we are going back to the ORIGINAL intent of the Constitution.
ALL of these politicians are puppets of the Bilderbergs, and unless we bankrupt them by continually replacing our Representatives with NEW people, they will be able to BUY (and have bought) our Government.
Let me conclude with this:
There was someone last year, and the year before that who went by the name Smrstrauss. I wondered why I hadn’t seen him/her around for a while, and I found out why. THEY were caught, and it was found out that THEY were paid Obama people.
I would suggest that it is only a matter of time before the same is found out about HistorianDude.
Maybe that’s why he chooses this blog to post his very disrespectful comments, because he doesn’t think we will “out” him.
The day is coming HD, the day is coming sooner than you think.
April 22, 2010 at 4:56 pm
HistorianDude
Let’s all remember first that this discussion of the Executive Order has nothing to do with Obama’s birth certificate, or college transcripts, or anything having to do with Obama or his life before he became President. None of those are “Presidential Records,” and so are not even considered by the law or this EO. It is a lie to say that this EO has anything to do with them. Let alone “seals” them.
This has nothing to do with the differences between the EOs. In both versions, both sitting Presidents and former Presidents can claim executive privilege, and neither has the authority to overrule the other and release documents the other wants sealed. This is the same in both EOs.
The actual difference is that the Bush version extended the concept of “executive privilege” to the former President’s family and/or designated representative. In other words, it gave “executive privilege” to people who had never been President at all.
Obama’s version removed that and returned the EO to the Ronald Reagan version.
But more to the point, did you forget your own claim, IB? You said that “Not only that, but with the signature on his very first Executive Order, Obama has kept these documents SEALED.”
What does your discussion above have to do with keeping Obama’s birth or college record sealed?
Yes, a sitting President can claim executive privilege and withhold Presidential Records of former Presidents. This is exactly the same under both versions.
What does that have to do with keeping Obama’s birth or college record sealed?
Cheny was never President. He has no executive privilege at all. You are talking nonsense.
But what does that have to do with keeping Obama’s birth or college record sealed?
Your right-wing nut-job paranoia is amusing. Nothing more.
There is still no such thing as the Corporation of the United States.
April 22, 2010 at 11:59 am
mrje
Born here or not, Barack Obama is not American.
April 22, 2010 at 12:23 pm
HistorianDude
Well, he was born here, and that makes him American.
April 23, 2010 at 5:16 am
mrje
As many times as you can call him American, I can tell you he is not. So there.
April 22, 2010 at 3:16 pm
JAMES
No patriotic American would embark on an apology tour, since we are always the first one present in a disaster, and no patriotic American would say that we cannot be a superpower forever.
April 22, 2010 at 4:57 pm
HistorianDude
What does any of that have to do with this thread?
June 29, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Maria, Dallas, Texas
AMEN. Couldn’t have said it better myself.